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  • another trip to consultant for the unicorns...

    My wife (unicorn) has finally got to see the specialist we have been trying to track down for about a year... here's a quick summary of the outcome.

    The consultant was far superior in terms of level of interest and thought than previous docs. He has done research around dry eye-related topics (which is why we wanted to see him in the first place).

    Based on examination his feeling was that my wife's eyes are not very dry, tear film is 'adequate' if not good, but meibomium glands are clearly not functioning normally and there is clear inflammation. Interestingly he wanted to check for retained contact lens fragments and talked of previous cases he had dealt with--hence some rather painful lifting of lids and examination, but it turned out negative. Viral swabs had also come back negative from previous visit.

    The doc felt ultimately that the problem is one of sensitization to what he called 'multiple trauma', essentially long years of contact lens wear, allergic reaction and a year or more of using various drops which he feels have increased the problem rather than led to improvement (which is my wife's own opinion too). Problems leading on from contact lens wear have been exacerbated in his opinion because my wife has quite 'tight' eyelids and because at the time of stopping wearing the lenses there was an allergic reaction to one of the lens solutions. He mentioned 'corneal neuralgia' as a possibility, ie excess sensation of pain despite not necessarily very extreme physical symptoms.

    An important aspect was that he was definitely not trying to say 'the pain's in your head'--he understood that the pain, which has been growing so much over the past 18 months, is real and is having very significant effects on quality of life.

    Hence the doc's advice is to cease all use of eyedrops and also any 'disturbing' cleaning such as rubbing with cotton buds. This again agrees with my wife's own previous worry that the cleaning regime was tending to make her eyes more sensitive to problems. He emphasised that this will be difficult to begin with. He suggested warm and cold compresses to combat pain and gentle washing with warm water.

    He also prescribed azithromycin. This was interesting because we had been reading about this and were going to ask about it, but he came up with it himself anyway. He did not feel topical az was a good idea due to the sensitization and the difficulty of the drug reaching the glands (typically it is administered in a gel, which while it can effectively maintain a high concentration by reducing 'washing away' by tears also massively slows down diffusion of the drug toward the important places--my research specialism happens to be in molecular transport and gels!). For this reason he prescribed oral az. We'll have to see if it works out.

    He felt that pain relief using something like gabapentin (?) could be useful in future but it was better at this stage to try the az to see if it could help with the inflammation and physical symptoms.

    We're quite encouraged by this visit (fifth or sixth or seventh time lucky!) Although no doubt there is a strong possibility that none of the above will help, it was good to have the problems taken rather more seriously and by someone who has clearly got a strong background in the field. Hope this might encourage other strugglers that perseverance can perhaps start to pay off...

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    Hi mrunicorn, may i ask are you in the UK? If so would you please give me details of your consultant and where he is based, is he NHS or private? Private message if you prefer. Many thanks
    Lizzy

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    • #3
      Unicorns still exist I've heard but very difficult to find, they are those rare doctors who are skilled and passionate about treating dry eye. So many people don't realize how much damage chronic use of contact lenses can do. It's great you found someone to treat MGD, however if you want to go orally with it, doxycycline may yield better results. Azi has been proven by it's external application, tears do not effect it since it's greasy (hydrophobic) and somehow it must find it's way into the glands. I don't like the fact they place BAK into it.

      If you don't feel none of it will help, have you tried LipiFlow? BlephaSteam goggles and self expression of the MG's?

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        The unicorns,

        I know you're in the UK, but I just wanted to comment on the similarities between what your "latest, greatest" doctor suggested and what I/we hear from a lot of Dr. Latkany's patients. That is, "stop all drops... It could be allergies". This sounds like very good advice, and I think many more people could benefit from doing less rather than more. We seem to have incredibly sensitive eyes and lids.

        Good luck and let us know how it goes.

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        • #5
          So glad to hear that you have found a compassionate doctor who believes in the reality of the pain your wife is feeling and listens carefully and will work with you. Good luck with the AZ and let us know how it goes.

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            I know you're in the UK, but I just wanted to comment on the similarities between what your "latest, greatest" doctor suggested and what I/we hear from a lot of Dr. Latkany's patients. That is, "stop all drops... It could be allergies". This sounds like very good advice, and I think many more people could benefit from doing less rather than more. We seem to have incredibly sensitive eyes and lids.
            Thanks for posting, MrUnicorn. I do feel an interested, open-minded and compassionate doc to work with is all we ask at this point. Our Paed Ophth is of the same mind for healing, as Spmcc describes. I think the danger would be if there was still untreated inflammation on the eye surface with dot lesions or patches of damage, but he can monitor and intervene minimally for that. This is an art.

            Re eye pain, I had a long long discussion with a Chiropractitioner yesterday at a conference. They trace the pain pathways and treat eg headache and pain behind the eye, as well as skeleton, muscle and neuro pain by extremely detailed understanding of anatomy (5y MSc in UK). They don't know so much about eye surface neuro pain but he did show me pressure points to relieve muscle pain around the orbit.

            However, he says consider how chronic pain can be referred and pass into the other systems, and after eye surface damage there might be peripheral sensitisation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuropathic_pain. Eg in the slit-lamp microscope we can see neovascularisation into the cornea, eg after contact lens overwear or chronic inflammation, or tiny signs of cornea damage, but not the nerve growth (confocal microscope). We talked about how pain specialists use amitriptyline and gabapentin for relief with the hope of spiralling less of a response. People are reporting sometimes these meds are making dry eye worse, so that can be a no, but Elaw65 reported escitalopram didn't make her dry eye worse.

            We also talked about how finding a supportive professional makes all the difference to outlook when living with and managing health conditions (and who doesn't).

            Mrs Unicorn's pain might relieve with oral azithromycin as inflammation goes down with this gentle approach. Your guy sounds bloomin' good, I have to say. My d's problems are iatrogenic so I'm really against meds in careless or uncaring hands, but we do all need to work together on this eye surface pain problem.
            Last edited by littlemermaid; 18-Dec-2013, 10:23.
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