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  • #16
    I think you are correct: many people find fluorescent light gives them problems. When my son was 10 or so, he got headaches every time he went into a room with fluorescent lighting. I haven't researched this at all, but fluorescent lights have a very subtle flicker that some can see, and it's very disturbing.

    The color rendering of the light varies from "cold" to "somewhat warm" (rated in degrees Kelvin--the higher the number, the whiter the light). There are no sharp shadows, which you find with sunlight or incandescent light. The brain and eye are "wired" to latch onto sharply differentiated edges and crispness, so with fluorescent, perhaps the vision has to adapt to a fuzzier edge---maybe the eye and brain cannot deal with those conditions. This is also one of the reasons computer text reading causes such fatigue---no crisp print edges for the eye and brain to zero in on.

    The color spectrum is important, too. There are ads out there that tout "full spectrum" bulbs, but this is usually a very bright white, which I find to be intolerable. When there is too much blue in the spectrum, it is quite tiring to the retina. And the new compact-fluorescents have this difficulty---less so than the tubes, but still there. The color rendition just isn't "right."

    I read on a Low-Vision/Macular Degeneration site that they recommend using incandescent bulbs, because the color and contrast is better (for people with poor macula). I have found this to be true myself---with high myopia, I have a somewhat thinned macula (with some degeneration), which makes it harder for me to see crisply at any distance.

    I haven't heard about fluorescents "draining vitamins" or anything. But it is true that natural sunlight entering our eyes through the pupil affects the pineal gland, which regulates many of our bodily functions--mood, sleep patterns, hormones, etc. So if you're always under fluorescent light, you may not be getting the right spectrum length to regulate the pineal gland.

    Most of the time, if I have to work in a room with fluorescent lighting, I get a small incandescent task lamp to put on my desk, close by my eyes, monitor, elbow distance---shines down on paperwork, keyboard, etc.--but doesn't cause glare.

    Calli

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    • #17
      Originally posted by calli66 View Post
      I think you are correct: many people find fluorescent light gives them problems. When my son was 10 or so, he got headaches every time he went into a room with fluorescent lighting. I haven't researched this at all, but fluorescent lights have a very subtle flicker that some can see, and it's very disturbing.

      The color rendering of the light varies from "cold" to "somewhat warm" (rated in degrees Kelvin--the higher the number, the whiter the light). There are no sharp shadows, which you find with sunlight or incandescent light. The brain and eye are "wired" to latch onto sharply differentiated edges and crispness, so with fluorescent, perhaps the vision has to adapt to a fuzzier edge---maybe the eye and brain cannot deal with those conditions. This is also one of the reasons computer text reading causes such fatigue---no crisp print edges for the eye and brain to zero in on.

      The color spectrum is important, too. There are ads out there that tout "full spectrum" bulbs, but this is usually a very bright white, which I find to be intolerable. When there is too much blue in the spectrum, it is quite tiring to the retina. And the new compact-fluorescents have this difficulty---less so than the tubes, but still there. The color rendition just isn't "right."

      I read on a Low-Vision/Macular Degeneration site that they recommend using incandescent bulbs, because the color and contrast is better (for people with poor macula). I have found this to be true myself---with high myopia, I have a somewhat thinned macula (with some degeneration), which makes it harder for me to see crisply at any distance.

      I haven't heard about fluorescents "draining vitamins" or anything. But it is true that natural sunlight entering our eyes through the pupil affects the pineal gland, which regulates many of our bodily functions--mood, sleep patterns, hormones, etc. So if you're always under fluorescent light, you may not be getting the right spectrum length to regulate the pineal gland.

      Most of the time, if I have to work in a room with fluorescent lighting, I get a small incandescent task lamp to put on my desk, close by my eyes, monitor, elbow distance---shines down on paperwork, keyboard, etc.--but doesn't cause glare.

      Calli
      Thanks for sharing. But incandescent light would be out after few years...Hope LED light would be anyother usable choise. I didn't know if LED light have same problem.

      Fluorescents light or computer light directly irritate my eye, not from the blinking lesser problem now. Doctors don't know why, just say avoid that...

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      • #18
        I thought this thread was very interesting. I have been struggling with the fluorescent lights at work since 2005. I am concerned about being able to hold on to my job. I believe my co-workers think I am crazy. I also have problems on hazy days. This type of light distorts my vision and makes my eyes very sore.

        I have been to many eyes doctors. Since I had RK surgery in 1993, they immediately blame the surgery for my DES. I did have one eye doctor tell me that the RK did not cause my DES, but I needed to find out what did cause it. I believe part of the problem is the many many years of working in an office under the lights and staring at the computer at work and at home. I had light sensativity problems a long time before I had issues with excess tearing and sore dry morning eyes.

        I had seen various types of doctors to help my situation but have not had much luck. The best relief for the lights has come from removing some of the fluorescent lights above my work area, getting a glare filter for my computer and getting an incandescent desk lamp. I wear Transition glasses with Anti-Reflection coating which help some, but would like to try the Amber glasses. Maybe I should get computer glasses. I also use Dwelle drops at night and FreshKote drops during the day and night. I have noticed my eyes are more tolerant of the light when I use the the FreshKote drops.

        I am so glad there is a forum where I can share and read ideas of how to improve our quality of life.

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        • #19
          Hello

          I am convinced Floursecent lights damaged my eyes when I was in high school - I used to walk down the hall and all the sudden gets these pains in my eyes -

          30 yrs later they still bother me - but not as bad

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          • #20
            another question i have about light sensitivity for anyone who can answer is from what i understand the cornea is the part of the eye that processes light (the retina is the light sensitive portion but light is first processed by the cornea and refracted to the retina?) my dr said my corneas are not dry or damaged but i am very light sensitive, how can that be? he said dry eye itself can cause light sensitivity, but i'm assuming that's from the cornea drying out, but he said my corneas are fine...

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            • #21
              Originally posted by mclaire66 View Post
              another question i have about light sensitivity for anyone who can answer is from what i understand the cornea is the part of the eye that processes light (the retina is the light sensitive portion but light is first processed by the cornea and refracted to the retina?) my dr said my corneas are not dry or damaged but i am very light sensitive, how can that be? he said dry eye itself can cause light sensitivity, but i'm assuming that's from the cornea drying out, but he said my corneas are fine...
              Westen medicine still don't know the real reason of lots of dry eye!
              So how can you say corneas not damaged, than no problem should occur?

              At least westen medicine know something may be wrong in the immune system will cause sensitive. It may be your eye's nervous system giving you a signal to stop you using eye.

              But how your dry eye comes?

              I also have light sensitive, pouring eye drop don't help to stop it, so that's not only "dry" eye.
              I trust chinese medicine on many way.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by hkgcomet View Post
                I trust chinese medicine on many way.
                i'm interested in chinese medicine as well, do you take any herbs for dry eye and if so what have you taken and has it helped? i guess it all comes down to finding your specific cause and treating from there but it's not easy to pinpoint...

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by mclaire66 View Post
                  i'm interested in chinese medicine as well, do you take any herbs for dry eye and if so what have you taken and has it helped? i guess it all comes down to finding your specific cause and treating from there but it's not easy to pinpoint...
                  I had take chinese medicine for 3 years. Now the herbs is in concentrated powder form which is easy to use. But what have to take it depends on the patient. My herbs changed time to time and checked on each visit. Many body sign such as acne, skin dryness, tiredness, color of urine, etc show different body state.

                  I had visit a chinese professor on eye specialist for a period but not much improve! He just using near same herbs, I think he don't hit the right point. So chinese medicine is very depending on the doctor's diagnose. Now I visit a younger chinese doctor and also doing acupuncture, seems improved in this 2 years, but still not fully recover so I don't say lots on chinese medicine here until I fully recovered.

                  I am a hong kong people so I know much more on those things, lucky I had best westen and easten medicine here!

                  But I found sleeping mask, gel is unreplaceablely important too. Need to have all those best things together to help the eye for recovering.

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                  • #24
                    Your tear film and cornea make up 80% of your refraction capability. Dry eye patients corneas are always in various stages of edema(swelling). This causes light to be reflected in a scattering way inside the eye.

                    My wife wears polarized dark lenses pretty much all the time. I believe the polarized lenses are as important if not more than the actual color. You can do reserach on how different color lenses enhance colors in differing light conditions.

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                    • #25
                      thanks for the responses that all makes sense, it's amazing how much there is to learn and understand about all this (and how much the dr's don't bother explaining to you!!)

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by indrep View Post
                        Your tear film and cornea make up 80% of your refraction capability. Dry eye patients corneas are always in various stages of edema(swelling). This causes light to be reflected in a scattering way inside the eye.

                        My wife wears polarized dark lenses pretty much all the time. I believe the polarized lenses are as important if not more than the actual color. You can do reserach on how different color lenses enhance colors in differing light conditions.
                        Have studies shown this to be the reason for light sensitivity? I always wondered why dry eye patients were sensitive to light - this explanation makes sense.

                        Btw I wear polarized sunglasses and they work great.

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                        • #27
                          Bright eyes
                          Tis information came up back in the mid 90s. There was a move to to replace Snellen charts with contrast sensitivity testing for measuring refractive error. the new method showed decreased vision in dry eye patients and contrast is related to glare in the eye. That was the correlation. I am not sure who or how man people published articles or studies. Contrast testing lost favor due to the time needed to do the test.

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                          • #28
                            I'm a little late in the reply as I have not been checking the forums for a while, but I will offer you the same advice I have others.. quite a few other times.

                            NoIR sunglasses are absolute lifesavers for me. They get the tints right for people with eye problems. Colours I'd recommend trying for indoor user would be (these are in VLT%, visible light transmission. The lower the number, the darker they are. A 'drug store' pair of shades at it's absolute darkest is about 30%)

                            -UVshield 45% red.
                            -UVshield 16% amber.
                            -NoIR 10% amber.
                            -UVshield 20% plum.

                            That's pretty much the colours that won't have uncomfortable contrast, and may look a lot better to your eyes personally than a grey lens that transmits the same amount of light. NoIR is -very- good about exchanges, so if you decide to go up or down in light transmission or try a different colour, you don't need to try 20 pairs of glasses- you do have to pay the return shipping yourself, though.

                            The frames I'd recommend would either be, if you don't use prescription lenses, the #35 sport wrap-around, or buying the lens blanks and having them fitted in a pair of glasses you like. The #30 non-fitover is also suitable but leaks a good bit more light than the #35.

                            If you do use prescription lenses, you can get hook-ins that fit under the lenses, if you want something that's more pleasing cosmetically. That said, it will leak a lot of light depending on the frame of your prescriptions. A better option would be asking for a plastic-framed fitover, in the #31/#36 range- even if they're not as pretty.

                            Wear either of them with a headstrap, if at all possible.

                            I personally cannot recommend them more. I use 2% grey/greens right now the most often, which is pretty much the darkest sunglasses that can be had.

                            That said, glasses that work well to cut brightness but also preserve 100% normal vision in low light are mythical creatures, I'm afraid. You have to accept some level of give-and-take, I'm afraid.

                            You should also consider things like reducing the brightness on computer monitors, increasing the font to reduce eyestrain, using a program like zoomtext (which has a free 60 day trial) to 'reverse' the screen's colours or otherwise make them more visually smooth, if you still have a CRT chuck it out the window and get an LCD.

                            One other suggestion would be asking your office to replace the lighting from fluorescent to something you better cope with in your workspace. I have a family member without dry eye or any other problems that found that fluorescent bulbs at work caused her issue with being able to work on her computer (central to her job) and they replaced the lightbulbs right when she requested it.. it's a 10$ change for them and it makes YOU more worth the money you're getting paid.




                            The site (you cannot order from it, but you can browse their selections) is http://noir-medical.com/catalog.htm

                            The number to order is +18005219746, and the fax is listed at the bottom of the web page.




                            Feel free to ask me about any other photophobia suggestions. I, unfortunately, have quite a host of experience and can probably recommend something for your specific troubles.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Brighteyes View Post
                              Have studies shown this to be the reason for light sensitivity? I always wondered why dry eye patients were sensitive to light - this explanation makes sense.

                              Btw I wear polarized sunglasses and they work great.
                              Don't feel that light sensitive mainly cause with tear film refraction. Stable tear film at a raining day didn't change my light sensitive.

                              Dry up at sleeping cause greater light sensitive is more ture.

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                              • #30
                                light sensitivity questions

                                Hi, there!

                                Great to see this thread!

                                On the NoIR glasses, about how much are they? The prices are not currently included on any of the models (price list page says to call). And about how long does it take to get them in from the date ordered?

                                Thanks so much!

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