Nova Bay I-Lid Cleaner

[Gram]

Has anyone tried this cleanser, it's new, needs a prescription.

[alb1967]

Well it is now called Avenova (in the US) and I am picking it up today. I have read many great things about it and my Dr said it has had overwhelming results, so we shal see. Anyone else tried this ??

[savino]

http://novabay.com/wp-content/upload...cid-051315.pdf

[grant555]

i would not put much stock into a white paper put out by the manufacturer's doctors specifically discrediting its competitor. avenova is probably pissed that ocusoft put out a stronger, non-prescription version of their product when they went to all the trouble and expense to get FDA approval for theirs. i would only trust this paper if it was peer reviewed.

i have tried avenova and don't find it particularly helpful. however, i don't think lid hygiene is that important in my case. that said it is certainly better than a detergent-based cleanser.

[LaDiva]

How much does this cost and is it covered by insurance?

[alb1967]

LaDiva I paid $20.68 and it is a 40ml bottle. I have a high deductible plan and I get discounts on medicine. It said my insurance paid $11.00 of it. I am hoping this helps because I am getting worse by the day. Of course I JUST noticed yesterday there is an air vent that is about 5 feet directly in front of my desk (I have one above my desk but it has a cover over half of it) and since I moved to this desk in July things have gotten worse. I am moving today to another desk that does not have a vent 5 feet in front of me so I am hoping this helps. I use to wear sclera lens with no problem and all and now since my inflammation has gotten so bad, I have to use drops on the front of the lens every hour. So depressing

[alb1967]

grant555 what is your diagnoses if you do not have problems with your lids. I have AD and MGD. I do see my upper lids are swollen but they are not tender to the touch and sometimes they do itch.

[Babs]

I am new to this forum. I have had dry eyes off and on for years, especially since menopause (hormones didn't help with my eye dryness by the way). So, I went to my eye specialist who is highly regarded. He said I had very dry eyes. He looked at all the little glands ringing my eyelids top and bottom and showed me how utterly clogged they were using a fancy magnifying mirror (it was not a pretty sight). He suggested hot compresses, scrubbing with Q-tips and baby shampoo. He said they probably had been clogged a very long time and that even if I unclogged them, as he said the glands would not function. I was put on Restasis (which did not work) and was also asked if I wanted little plugs for my lower lids but that sounded kind of extreme at the time. I tried the scrubbing and shampoo and warm compresses to no avail, my optometrist noted, still clogged. Then my sweet, intelligent daughter suggested I use Neutrogena cleansing towels that remove even stubborn, waxy, waterproof eye makeup instead of baby shampoo. So I scrubbed daily with those makeup remover towelettes. I didn't think about my little glands again after finding out about probes, the expense, and some say the lack of results. I just kept my eye drops at my bedside and sometimes used glop in my eyes during the night and used an eye mask.
My eyes were starting to feel a little better sometimes not even needing eye drops at night. Then I go for my eye exam for new glasses and the optometrist sees that my eye glands are not clogged at all, and it seems odd I should ask about that (this is a different doctor). I asked him to push on the glands to see if he sees oil coming out. He magnified closely and gently pushed and said,"Oh my, yes! There is quite a lot." He pushed at all the glands and they are all functioning now! So mission accomplished in a very cheap way that is sustainable on my own by just using my makeup removing wipes from Neutrogena. I still use eye drops and an eye mask at night but no goop. I try to stay away from my computer and instead enjoy a book now and then. My husband and I juice once a week with vegetables only to get vitamins we may not get in a supplement. I also started a diet of no sugar for the past week and have noticed my eyes are MUCH wetter without sugar for some reason.

I hope this helps some other souls who struggle with blocked glands and dry eyes.

[LaDiva]

Babs, I am glad your problem is gone, and suspect you had a bacterial infection. Someone posted about getting rid of their bleph by using hand wipes, which contained an ingredient that killed all kinds of bacterial bad guys. I am very allergic to most wipes, and so will just add that people need to be careful about using these, especially close to their eyes. Really happy that it worked for you, though!

Alb, thanks very much for the information.

[savino]

i would not put much stock into a white paper put out by the manufacturer's doctors specifically discrediting its competitor. avenova is probably pissed that ocusoft put out a stronger, non-prescription version of their product when they went to all the trouble and expense to get FDA approval for theirs. i would only trust this paper if it was peer reviewed.

i have tried avenova and don't find it particularly helpful. however, i don't think lid hygiene is that important in my case. that said it is certainly better than a detergent-based cleanser.

[grant555]

i dont think that an eight page paper that virtually no consumer will understand constitutes "well documented." Ocusoft has a good reputation so i would tend to give them the benefit of the doubt that their products are not harmful to the consumer until a disinterested party raises concerns. perhaps, you could talk to your doctor who prescribed you avenova and ask him or her.

for me, its irrelevant because cleansers of all kind do not help my eyes, they irritate them. i'm just pointing out the source of the information. i do not know much about science, however, i do know that scientists can manipulate the various factors of just about any test to reach the conclusion that they desire.

[savino]

i dont think that an eight page paper that virtually no consumer will understand constitutes "well documented." Ocusoft has a good reputation so i would tend to give them the benefit of the doubt that their products are not harmful to the consumer until a disinterested party raises concerns. perhaps, you could talk to your doctor who prescribed you avenova and ask him or her.

for me, its irrelevant because cleansers of all kind do not help my eyes, they irritate them. i'm just pointing out the source of the information. i do not know much about science, however, i do know that scientists can manipulate the various factors of just about any test to reach the conclusion that they desire.

[Gram]

Please tell me about Ulmo Honey, how much? I've been using Norwegian fish oil, do not believe it has helped at all in two years

[savino]

Please tell me about Ulmo Honey, how much? I've been using Norwegian fish oil, do not believe it has helped at all in two years

[xpro]

Sorry I didn't see your reply. You need to buy the right Ulmo honey. I was using the one from RG Pharma and just ran out of it. Hit the translate button and you'll get a description in English. This is the rawest Ulmo honey you can get.

http://www.rgpharma.com/prodotti/nut.../miele-di-ulmo

The above one is not heated. The one from Equalexchange (orange packaging) is heated and therefore has no or very little antibacterial properties. Below is the comparison between Manuka and Ulmo against some bacterial strains.

http://www.biomedcentral.com/content...6882-10-47.pdf

The thing is I cannot understand why this honey works for a while and then stops. The important thing is to dilute the honey and leave it for about 8 hours so hydrogen peroxide can be released. I do not know when H2O2 reaches its peak in this particular honey. H2O2 is the thing that kills bacteria and is released when the honey is diluted with water. In order to see if it works for you you have to put a 30% drop in each eye right before bed and not open the eyes during sleep. This is really important otherwise the eyes flush the honey out when you blink and you'll get no benefits, I use Bepanthol eye drops vials to mix the honey. There are times when I use the honey at night and I wake up with almost completely normal eyes and have so much oil in my tear film that it's crazy. But then it all goes to **** during the day. Yesterday I woke up and my dry eye was completely gone, I had almost zero inflammation. 4 hours later I had a flare up with bubbles in my tear film and no visible oil in the tear film. It's really important not to open the eyes during sleep. Sleep is the worst enemy of dry eye because there is no blinking and because bacteria multiply during the night. For the eyelids I use a 40% solution.

PS: I consumed 30 grams of fish oil and flax oil per day and it made no difference in my dryness. This is because bacteria is eating up my oil ending up in froth. This disease has ruined my life.

Just don't use honey if you're post op or something. There was a guy on here who used it after surgery and it messed up his flops.

Honey also did wonders for me. But I found out about it when I used local honey while I was visiting Ecuador. The honey I used in USA did not work at all. I would like to try Ulmo honey but I don't know which one will work, and the link you posted is from Italy. It would take forever for me to receive it. What do you think of this one?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...=sr_1_1&sr=8-1