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    Hi everyone,

    As I said in the intro section, I’ve had blepharitis for over 30 years so I thought I’d put a post up, as I’ve seen a real improvement in the last 12 months. I can see a lot of people use this site as a resource, and maybe someone else will find what I’ve learnt in all that time useful. But it’s been hard work!

    First off, I had to get my head around the fact that blepharitis (and, for me, the associated seborrhea/seborrheic dermatitis and rosacea tendencies) are an inflammatory disease which needs to be treated holistically. This will not be news to many people, but it has taken me a long time to really get to grips with what that means.

    First, it means that relying on medication has not been sufficient for me. You’ve got to look at your whole lifestyle and try to cover as many bases as possible. Medication is great when you’re having an acute, painful episode and need relief quickly. I can say this is after many experiences of using topical antibiotic/steroid preparations only to see it all come back when I stopped using them, and feeling like I hadn’t made any progress at all. I’m someone who prefers not to use prescription medication if I can avoid it, but I think people really differ on that. Anyway, it seems that there are a number of things, apart from medication, which can help any kind of inflammatory disease.

    So, from a lot of reading, it seems that many medical researchers are starting to view a lot of health problems (allergies, asthma, diabetes, coronary/artery disease, Alzheimers) as inflammatory diseases. Why do some people get asthma, and others get blepharitis? Well, I’m sure there is a big genetic component here. For instance my Dad has blepharitis and my mum has seborrhea and rosacea; and I got the double whammy! But, luckily, no-one in my family has asthma

    Diet
    I think there are two things here. One is to make sure you are eating lots of the good stuff. Second is to avoid the bad stuff! It took me a while to realise that just eating the good stuff will not (unfortunately!!) mean that you can get away with the bad stuff on a regular basis.

    The good stuff: I’ve really changed my diet- I eat a lot more green leafy veg (and veg generally) then I ever used to. I eat more lean protein (including lots of fish and seafood) and try to favour low glycemic index carbs (pulses, nuts, wholemeal everything- and can I say that finding an acceptable wholemeal pasta is not easy!). Basically, it’s kind of a Mediterranean diet. I do eat cheese and natural yogurt (ie unsweetened and made by the proper cultures, not with gelatin) but not in large amounts. The other thing I’ve found is that I can’t handle loads of uncooked grains or whole nuts, and pulses need to be well-soaked and cooked. I noticed that someone else posted about IBS- well, it’s certainly my experience that whatever makes my gut react goes straight to my eyes! I also have to be picky about what bread I eat- stuff made using the 'commercial' bread-making method really causes me problems, but 'real' sourdough bread is fine.

    Avoiding the bad stuff: I read an intriguing post on the forum from someone else who said that giving up sugar has really improved her eye problems. Unfortunately, I have to say that the same has happened for me!! Caffeine and alcohol are also triggers. I wish it was possible for me to eat chocolate and french pastries, and drink coffee and champagne everyday. But it’s not, and I've varying success accepting that. I’ve found my limits, and we are pretty much talking about having these things, in small amounts, once a month, rather than once a week.So when I say sugar, I mean sugar and sugar substitutes/jam/dried fruit/too much fruit generally/biscuits etc etc. I think milk is also a bit of a trigger, but only if my system is already a bit ‘upset’. Interestingly, all of these things are liver stressors (either because they cause blood sugar to rise suddenly, or because the liver has to break them down to get rid of them). And the liver plays an important role in regulating the immune system.

    Vitamin D
    Another poster reported this, and I have also found that my skin and eye problems are helped by limited sun exposure. I’m a pale-skinned person, living in Australia, so you’d think that would be no problem. But as a pale skinned type, I’ve always been encouraged to avoid the sun and wear sunscreen.

    Mind you, I’m still a bit confused by this one- on the one hand, I’ve had a really good response to cod liver oil (covers the omega 3-vitamin A-vitamin D bases) but I’ve never noticed particularly good results with plain vitamin D supplements. Maybe its because being in the sun can also be pleasurable? Which brings me to…

    Rest
    I’ve come to realise that, for me, blepharitis is the canary in the coalmine. If it flares up, it’s a sign that I’m eating too much of the wrong thing, I’m not getting enough sleep or I’m feeling stressed. I’ve had to learn that I can’t do loads of things that involve physical exertion. Some exercise helps, but too much causes problems. So, I’ve come to realise that I’ll never be a marathon runner or a triathelete!

    Flare-ups
    I now recognise a really distinct pattern with the disease, usually diet related. I’d love to hear other people’s experience on this. First, I notice that my forehead/eyebrows gets really greasy, and I’ll get greasy around the nose. Then, after about 24 hours, my eyes will be noticeably redder, ‘sticky’ and develop crusts. The next stage is v sore, stinging eyes in the morning, plus losing eyelashes and blocked glands. My lips feel dry, so that I have to use lip balm more, and my skin feels dry and uncomfortable even though it’s greasier. I get increased face flushing in response to temperature changes/alcohol, particularly on my nose.

    When my diet is good, I don’t get the greasy skin or flushes, my right eye looks ‘normal’, and my left eye just slightly pink to normal. And my eyelashes grow back!!

    What I’ve learnt to do…
    When a flare-up happens (as it did recently, after too much socialising) I favour brown rice or potatoes, fish/seafood, lots of veges, green/herbal tea and yogurt for about a 7 days. After about 3 days, I’ll notice that the oiliness on my face has resolved. My eyes usually take about 5 days to improve. As soon as I notice they’re aggravated, I start using warm chamomile tea bags 3 times a day to gently clean away the crusts. I have to say that it stings, but it really helps clear up any infection. After 5-7 days of eating like that, I’ll go back to eating my usual diet and be good about avoiding the triggers. After about 2 months of this, I usually forget that I have a problem, have too much of the trigger stuff and start back at the beginning!

    As maintenance, I bathe both my eyes daily for a minute in warm water with 2 drops on golden seal/eyebright herbal extract in it. I’ve tried just warm water, and it did not work, the herbal extract seems to be doing something. This is even stranger, given that the herbal extract is in alcohol, which could be aggravating, but I suppose it’s a very small amount. But the eye bathes are not enough without the diet changes. I also take daily supplements of cod liver oil (2000 mg or 2000IU of vitamin A, 400IU of vitamin D), vitamin E (500mg), vitamin C (500mg) and calcium (1000mg). Every so often, I'll take probiotics for a week or two, especially if my gut has reacted to something.

    Other triggers
    The skin on my face seems to be very very touchy about what I put on it. In general, it reacts, gets oilier and flushes if I use sunblock (I have NEVER found one that didn't make me react, infuriating!), use soap or detergent-based cleansers, creams with certain kinds of preservatives etc etc. Salt water is also not always helpful- which I think, when I was younger, led to spectacular eye flare-ups when I was told to try baby shampoo scrubs and saline eye washes! That said, if my diet is good, my skin/eyes are much better behaved and can handle more.

    Oh, and one other thing. It took about 4-6 months of being really scrupulous about my diet for my skin and eye issues to improve, initially. There were many times it those months when I doubted what I was doing (but luckily I had a good naturopath- and I also thought, well, I'll only know if it works if I give it my best shot, you know?) Only now have I got to the stage where I might see things getting a bit worse, react by straightening out my diet, and then see it improve again after about a week.

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    Wow, great post. I definitely think diet plays a role in how our eyes feel. I am going to give some of your suggestions a try and see if I have any improvement.

    This week my eyes have been pretty bad and I am wondering if it is partly due to my diet. Ever since I got Easter candy (yes both my mom and mother in law still give us Easter baskets ) I have been having rough eye days.

    Avoiding sweets, chocolates and caffeine (especially coffee) forever would not be fun at all, but if it helps with the pain it would be worth it.

    Glad to hear you have been experiencing relief, especially since you have been battling for so long!!!

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    • #3
      Musetta

      I am so grateful you posted this! I have not even read the info yet!! LOL But I am so excited to look through everything you posted that has helped you!! It's really appreciated!

      Could I ask you to pop back now and again over the next week or so incase I or others have any questions that arise from what you advise?

      Thanks again!! Shell

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      • #4
        Well, I tried the anti-inflammatory diet for around 3 months...I ate nothing processed-not even crackers.. I ate egg whites, olive oil, lean cuts of turkey and chicken, salmon, almonds, no dairy.... It didn't seem to help much.. Some days I thought it was helping but then I decided to eat sugar again around Easter time... My eyes still have their ups and downs but I didn't notice anything "amazing" from the exremely strict diet. I still mainly eat healthy but if I want some chocolate or coffee I am having it.

        I also gave up coffee years ago when this all started-and all caffiene. Again, I didn't notice an improvement..
        Jenny

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        • #5
          @ Musetta

          Do you mean "obstructive Meibomian Gland Dysfunction" when you say Blepharitis?

          If yes, how did the disease develop over that time? In other words, has it been stable or did it improve / worsen? How did your treatment evolve over that time?

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          • #6
            Hi there, thanks for your responses.
            Ema- I suppose I've decided that I'm not going to avoid coffee and chocolate for ever, but when I eat them 1) they have to be really really good coffee and chocolate 2) I've had to learn when to stop! So, for instance, on a Saturday I'll go out with my partner and children and have a good coffee and maybe a nice biscuit or piece of cake to share, but that will be it for the week. Anymore then weekly, and I start to see the change.

            Jenny2008- Like I said, I suspect that the collection of symptoms we share are a reflection of lots of different triggers. For me, it's turned out to be diet, and that was very clear by how my gut was reacting to food. I'm sure for others it could be airborne allergens, or the after-effects of an infection. I still think it can't hurt to have a really good diet BUT sometimes, if its too restrictive, that diet can just become another source of stress. Especially if one feels like one is denying oneself and having to be really controlled (I'm not saying that's how you felt, I'm just making a general comment).

            In my case, I followed the dietary advice of my naturopath. I followed her advice because it did not seem outrageous, and I knew others who'd seen her and really benefitted. Her program is 7 days of a limited diet (brown rice, fish and seafood, any vegetables or herbs, natural yogurt, fruit were limited to 0% fructose fruit like grapefruit, lemons, limes) while taking probiotics. Then a less restricted diet for 2 weeks (at which point you start taking supplements too, as well as the probiotics). That diet included a bit of rye bread/crackers, up to 6 eggs a week, acidic fruit like berries, pineapple, some lamb, plus the fish/rice/vegetables/yogurt. I have to say I do really well on the restricted-but-not-too restricted diet, to the point where my husband said I should just eat like that all the time, as he noticed how good tempered I was!

            So, after those 3 weeks, I could eat 'as normal' with the proviso that I stuck to wholemeal grains, some veges with every meal, brown rice around 4 times a week, fish around 4 times a week and yogurt daily. Beverages are low caffeine green or black tea, herbal teas or pretend coffee (eg barley or chicory beverages). The 7 day diet sounds pretty mild, but treat it with respect, as you can feel awful when you do it and sometimes things seem to feel like they are getting worse (at least for the first few days). So I can get the most bizarre aches and pains in my back, for instance.

            wetEyes- hmm, I'm not sure really, as it has always been described just as blepharitis. So, I'll describe the symptoms. Lower outside rim is pink, or red if it's bad (like I've used red makeup- in fact, someone once told me they thought I had done that to make my eyes stand out!!!). Yellow crusts on both upper and lower lashs, which stick to the base of the lashes. When I was younger, the roots of my lashes were bleached white (apparently that's not uncommon) but now that doesn't happen anymore. A tendency to getting little cysts on the inner rim of my lower lid. When its bad, soreness and burning, with stinging, blurry eyes on waking 9apparently this is caused by a build-up of toxins excreted by bacteria). As I said, it was first noted when I was 5, but really worsened when I was a teenager (in terms of the redness and crusting). Since then, the only time I've seen sustained improvement is when my diet is good, and it does seem to me that, with age, it deteriorates more quickly. Or maybe its just there are more stresses in my life now! For instance, about 1.5 years ago, I was under a lot of stress due to work, plus children's illness meant I wasn't getting enough sleep (and was worried), plus the tiredness meant I reverted to the crutches of coffee and chocolate. My eyes suddenly flared up really badly, scarlet red rims, with lots of crusting, and I had to use antibiotic/steroid ointment to get them under control. I had to make a big effort to get my diet back on track, and I changed jobs to something less stressful. I do, as I said, also get seborrhea and seborrheic dematitis in my eyebrows/nose folds/scalp, so I'd say I have a more generalised problem with the way my skin makes sebum or I'm reacting to something (yeast infestation etc etc there are many possible culprits!).

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            • #7
              great post

              Thanks for all the info! I have always had a weight problem...never have been able to stick to a diet. So it kinda scares me that if this is the answer to making my eyes feel more comfortable..Im screwed...lol No...I know its just a lifestyle change...

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              • #8
                musetta - Bless you for taking the time to share this detailed information and your experience. This is exactly where we are, searching for diet information. Major Easter egg flare up!
                Paediatric ocular rosacea ~ primum non nocere

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                • #9
                  regina- I know, we can think 'it's just lifestyle change', but I would never say it is easy! Honestly, to go from being someone who had a sweet 'treat' everyday, to someone who can go without eating something sweet and not really notice the difference, that has taken a long time. So, even though I have been doing this on and off for ages, I think its only in the last 12 months that I've made a significant shift. The good thing is that I've found my tastes have changed- a lot of sweet stuff now tastes too sweet to me, and it's no sacrifice avoiding it. Also, when I do eat something sweet, I often get half way through and realise I don't want anymore. So again, it doesn't feel like a sacrifice. But it did, once!!

                  littlemermaid- ouch! Hope it starts improving soon.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Musetta View Post
                    Hi there, thanks for your responses.
                    Ema- I suppose I've decided that I'm not going to avoid coffee and chocolate for ever, but when I eat them 1) they have to be really really good coffee and chocolate 2) I've had to learn when to stop!
                    Are you sure it was the coffee?
                    Maybe it was just the chocolate?
                    Also, btw, if i'd totally avoid sweet stuff, I'd get bad constipation.

                    I actually got dry eyes & eyelids (and much more horrors) from computer fluresence - I don't have tendency to genetic red skin/scaling skin.

                    Rather, my tendency was to painful fibromyalgia, sallow/oil skin in face, including adult acne (which is my form of what others might manifest as inflammed face. With me, it's pimples & cysts in odd spots).
                    I'd get the pimples AND headaches from: Chocolate (though chocolate products are not that bad, are declicious, and the BEST for facilitating my digestion), Citrus, salty-chips, over-salted food, SodiumCitrate, SodiumNitrite, hot spices, raw-non-sauteed-onions-hidden-in-foods etc. Basically, blood thinner type of foods have been a major culprit. Citrus and raw-onions would also cause me terrible sore throat & runny nose for weeks on end.
                    ConverselY, blood thickeners such as honey, would counteract the "evils" caused by blood-thinners, such as lemon or NON-SAUTEED onions. (I guess that's what Xlear is about, to "thicken" the nasal drips which are caused by people eating blood-thinning foods, or to thicken mucuous caused by viruses which may be stirred out of their cubbyholes by citrus or raw-onion-hidden-in-foods (which have the properties of opening pores). A general rule of thumb to follow is: Add sweetness to too-sour food, then add some salt, if it gets too sweet. Instead of just black & white, acknowledge the shades of grey...
                    ...back to topic:
                    I also lately have borderline electrosensitivity & always had fluorescent/photosensitivity but worsened with advent of computers.

                    ...OK, so much for background
                    Now to get to the point:

                    For most of my close to 50 years, I'd been avoiding coffee like a zombie because i grew up with my mother saying it ruined her teeth (based on medical propaganda). Then later, doctors fanatically warning in droning monotonous Qs "do you drink? smoke? coffee?"

                    ...then, of course, i'd hear endless static about the "jitters" people get, and the "withdrawal" symptoms.

                    Finally, I started thinking logically.
                    I said to myself, THROW MEDICAL ASSUMPTIONS OUT THE WINDOW.
                    PUT 2 + 2 TOGETHER.

                    (1) My computer symptoms very much mimic alcohol hangover
                    (2) Alcoholics are helped by drinking coffee + aspirin

                    Bingo - Caffeinated coffee has proved a lifesaver to me.
                    Coffee tightens my lids when drinking it prior to computer use.
                    That way the "bad" stuff of computer causes me less harm.
                    And my eyelids become MUCH LESS inflamed.
                    My eyes themselves retain moisture better!! NOT so dehydrated as without coffee!
                    Upon coffee, the whites of my eyes are whiter, NOT so red!

                    Far from "jittering" me, it helps me sleep.
                    During the DECADES i'd avoided coffee, I had such terrible headaches, I couldn't sleep!
                    Now, due to coffee I CAN SLEEP!!!!

                    It protects me from headaches caused by radio waves & fluresence.
                    It protects me from headaches caused by windy weather (btw, wind affects radio reception too!

                    Conversely, ingesting liquid silica CAUSED me radio sensitivity! And similar bad stuff happened to my sickly friend upon using that same highly-rated silica


                    If there hadn't been that MISGUIDED MEDICAL PROPAGANDA years ago (which caused me to avoid coffee all those years), I GUARANTEE you that I wouldn't be so prematurely aged by now. I'm less than 50, yet with symptoms & appearance of my Dad when he was, say, 75.

                    I noted that coffee had been given a bad rap based on its constricting heart vessels, dehydration, & affecting bones.. but without telling the WHOLE PICTURE.
                    It's indicated vs. Alzheimer prevention, Parkinsons & diabetes.
                    You can take calcium chews a few hours after coffee, for bones.
                    You can take heart-healthy foods in conjunction with coffee.
                    You can rehydrate via taking, say, peaches & humectant foods.

                    The above is the tip of iceberg.
                    There's LOTS more i've discovered the doctors to be morons about.
                    But, as i say: The more the lessons, the less the morons!
                    (except they never learn their lesson - because they're not trained to be intuitive, unlike the "dumb" elephants who were intuitive enough to run from the tsunami. For example, a few of them scoffed at me upon my mentioning the symptoms caused me by computers. What a nerve. Instead of listening to me, so they can warn others, they're jerks, guilty of criminal negligence, trained by a one-size-fits-all system to use linear, not circular logic.
                    Last edited by Minni; 12-May-2010, 18:44.
                    CHEERIO! HELIO! Dry Eye Minni

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                    • #11
                      Very useful indeed

                      I spent an hour on this website the other day and read your wonderful post which made me join up.

                      I had an inkling that these flare-ups that I have been suffering since the age of 54 (i.e. for 11 years) must be diet and stress related, and had already given up sugar for one week when I read your post. So I will report back. I also feel right now that if I could go to bed for a week it might go away!

                      I was at the pub (er.. drinking alcohol!) the other night when I suddenly realised that my eyes were all cool and calm. I put this down to the fact that I was really happy and relaxed for the first time for weeks. It was an extraordinary moment. Sadly, G&T is full of sugar.

                      I pride myself on having a great diet. I grow all my own veggies, etc. But I drink far too much coffee, eat far too much chocolate and too many pastries, and it creeps up on one. Since the first major episode which lasted a few weeks, I had seven years with perfect eyes, and then I think that my diet got bad again.

                      I also have a load of hay fever problems and thought that anti-histamine eyedrops were doing the trick -- that's until they stopped working . . . . and now it's the British December and I look like a bloodhound and feel like hell.

                      Everyone's problem is slightly different, but together we might get somewhere.

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                      • #12
                        Diet tonic has no carbs

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                        • #13
                          As for you suspecting genetics I can't say this is true for me sadly, no one has mgd but my brother does get the odd stye here and there but not related to mgd on the aspect of all oil glands going funny. I'm not sure if anyone in my family has allergies that effect their eyes, only me. I do take caffeine every once in a while as a treat. I do try to clean my diet up when I can for the lack of money I just eat crappy food because it's cheaper (sadly) otherwise I'd eat healthier.... Might need a trip to lidl! glad you have improved thought!

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