M.G.D. and cloudy vision?

[Joseph]

I was wondering if MGD secretions can cause your eyes to see a cloudy, hazy film. I have been diagnosed with Bleph. and MGD and it seems like when I do the hot towel on my eyes and massage my eyelids "like the doctor told me" it makes my vision look like I am in a hazy somewhat smokey room. Thanks for the help. You DEZ buddy Joseph..

[Jasper]

Joseph,

I have heard this from many others with MGD. I'm sure you will get some great feedback from those who use hot towels or rice bags soon.

[jordanh]

Were for sure having the same issues. I started to do the warm compresses before bed and in the morning. Feels okay and then once i remove it my vision gets hazy. My apt is tomorrow, 4:30. I have a list of questions to ask her so ill keep you posted on the news. If she doesn't know what to do I'm dropping business school and going into ophthalmology.......... Can't live like this at only 20 years old........
We will cure this don't you worry.

[bakunin]

I think i have MGD.

Eye drops make no good to my eyes. The only relief i get (apart the goggles) is when i express my eyelids (mainly the lowers). Yes, my vision gets a bit hazy or cloudy, and gets normal after some bllinks.

Yesterday was the first time (since the onset of DEZ seven months ago) i made warm compress. I made it with green tea, for about 15 minutes, ate night. I felt better after doing it. When i woke up the next morning, i.e. today, my eyes had a lot of oil, my vision was hazy (which i like, because it means less tear will evaporate). But i had a very bad time along the day. Maybe was the green tea in my eyes the night before, maybe for other reasons...

[Joseph]

bakunin. I know what you mean with having a bad day after the warm compresses. When I do warm compresses at night I can pretty much count on my eyes feeling sticky and my vision bing hazy the next day. I don't know which is worst, the dry gritty eyes or the bad hazy vision.

[dijon84]

I have seborrheic blepharitis and have been told there is some MGD too. I do a 10 minutes warm compress, morning and evening. I use the MGD eyebag. I find it quite effective - certainly, better than flannel / hot water. After doing a compress, I will often find that my vision appears hazy straight afterwards. This doesn't last long - perhaps 30 seconds to a minute - not too sure. Then I do lid cleaning straight afterward. When I do lid cleaning a minute after the compress (using a cotton bud and Blephasol at the base of the lashes), again the vision goes hazy, but the effect wears off shortly after.

Things for me are better than a few months ago (now that I am using the EyeBag). Still not as good as I'd like them to be. So I am under the impression that this short burst of haziness is a good thing, not a bad thing. If this haziness happens, then I know it is oil from the MGs being dispersed into the tear film ie that particular compress worked.

Perhaps if you are getting haziness for longer than me, it is something different.

Hope this is useful.

[Jenn1]

I get cloudy vision/blurry etc..., not just when using compresses, but some of the thick eye drops and also when the eyes need lubricating.

[bakunin]

bakunin. I know what you mean with having a bad day after the warm compresses. When I do warm compresses at night I can pretty much count on my eyes feeling sticky and my vision bing hazy the next day. I don't know which is worst, the dry gritty eyes or the bad hazy vision.

Hi Joseph,

Like Jenn1, my cloudy vision lasts for some seconds, or minutes, and doesn't bothers me. When my vision is cloudy due to the melbomian oil is when i get some relief from the burning feeling.

[jordanh]

Hey jenn

I feel the same way. I had an apt with my new ophthalmologist (this one actual cares), she told me right away its MGD. My TBUT was extremely bad, and they labelled my problem as "serious". She told me take tons of flaxseed oil pills so I'm taking 3000mg in the morning and 3000mg at night followed by some warm compresses throughout the day. Im using just super hot water then to my eyelids for about a minute or two. Any one else have some pointers on getting that oil to unblock and start secreting oils so i can have a darn lipid layer again!?! This method seems really defective.....

[jordanh]

Hey jenn

I feel the same way. I had an apt with my new ophthalmologist (this one actual cares), she told me right away its MGD. My TBUT was extremely bad, and they labelled my problem as "serious". She told me take tons of flaxseed oil pills so I'm taking 3000mg in the morning and 3000mg at night followed by some warm compresses throughout the day. Im using just super hot water then to my eyelids for about a minute or two. Any one else have some pointers on getting that oil to unblock and start secreting oils so i can have a darn lipid layer again!?! This method seems really defective.....

[Jenn1]

Hi Jordan,

Where are you in the world? I have been to my optician and my sight is fine, so I can only assume that it is the mgd and bleph that causes the eyes to be blurry, esp when using treatments. There is no magic cure, only drops, pills, compresses and more specialist techniques like probing if the glands are blocked, but these arent available in the UK as far as I know. You will likely hear a lot of 'oh you need to clean your lids more, do more compresses..' etc.., because these eye docs havent much else to give you. Keep your eyes lubricated and infection/inflamation free and thats about it really. Fish and flax oils are good also. Do you experience floaters also?

Your profile says you dont have a diagnosis, then how do you know you have mgd and that compresses may help? If contact lens wear caused your eye problems, esp mgd, I would be interested to hear how this can cause mgd if at all? I know meds do as thats my cause.

Also why cant these eye specialists come up with an injection solution to inject into the lids or glands, even if it is just a liquid form of doxy etc...?

[HYPERHEAD]

Yes I have been getting this haze lately as well as glare of lights and this is since I have been more agressive with cleaning my eyelids, maybe it's a good thing as the cleaning does reduce the inflammation a bit that might help the glands to function better

Dijon how are you mate I decided to buy some blephasol and blephagel as its suppose to remove the crusts using a Micelle solution and the blephagel overnight. I haven't tried it yet as I just ordered them ..how do you apply the blephasol and blephagel ? Do you just rub the blephasol on the lids for a few seconds then leave and then just apply the blephagel ? Also has it helped with crusts And red swollen lids ?

Should I bother asking the dr for anti biotics like doxy to help with horrible condition?

[dijon84]

Hi there hyperhead - I apply Blephasol to the base of the eyelashes using a cotton bud. You can leave the Blephasol there - no need to wash it off.
I apply in the same way with Blephagel - base of the eyelashes using a cotton bud. I apply at night, leave it on overnight and wash it off in the shower in the morning.
There's several places in Cardiff where you can buy it, surely cheaper and quicker than ordering it online - Radyr Eyes, Cardiff Eyes (you must have been to one of those), plus Cardiff University Optometrists on Maindy Road, Cathays. It helps me with crusts for sure. I'm not 100% sure I need to use both - perhaps Blephagel by itself would be enough. But I'm sticking with both for now.
What's your diagnosis?
PS I find a magnifying mirror very helpful when applying Blephasol / Blephagel.

[HYPERHEAD]

Dave do i need to apply the blephasol once then leave it or do i have to massage it in for like ocusoft lid cleaner for 30 seconds to remove the crusts, or does blephasol work at removing the crusts without any manual friction. How does blephagel work..do you find that when left overnight the crusts and redness are reduced in the morning also has it helped with eyelash loss as my problem flaky skin round bases of the lashes on the upper lid and and waxy stubborn crusts on the lowers and mild loss of lashes?

I bought a 15 x mirror off ebay and i find it addictiv as i keep checking the lids and seeing detail i never thought possible

[jordanh]

Jenn,

Im in central canada. Climate here is cold and dry in the winter and our summers fluctuate to very hot and humid to just scorching hot and dry. I just updated my profile for you to MGD since its 100%... To me it seems like MGD is not too complicated. Glands are blocked due to solidified oil.... okay, so lets heat it up and make it work again? I guess it's easier said then done. Im not familiar with "floaters", i'd assume you mean gunk in the eye and to answer you, no i don't think i do. I have relatively long eyelashes so that may have caused more dirt and debris to gather up thus blocking my glands. I highly doubt that contacts aided this since i was very anal at keeping them clean, but could very well be a culprit. I know i have mgd because my doc looked in my eyes and could see right away that my glands were blocked and that my tears vanished really quickly. Since my lipid layer is lacking, my tears are just running off of my aqueous layer. It doesn't have that barrier (lipid layer) anymore to help contain my tears.

I was browsing on the forum last night as i found this surgery that helps patience with mgd. Its called Lipifow. Long story short, they have a machine the can heat up your meibomian glands by applying heat from the inside out. Rather then applying say a cloth to the outside, this machine put the heat on the inside of the eyelid. Very neat, would definitely try that bad boy out. Youtube it or google it, very interesting.

P.s. Im heading to the UK in about a 4 weeks, hows the weather for us dry eyers? Should i stack up on my drops?