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Originally posted by SAAG View Post
I hope he only meant that his clinical signs are worse. Because if he had the nerve to try to suggest that his eyes FEEL worse than yours - which he has zero way of knowing - that's not right. Clinical signs do NOT always match up with the severity of symptoms a patient feels.
If he's making you feel like you're "obsessing", he's either too arrogant to see that something could be going on with your eyes that he doesn't understand, or, he doesn't know what else to do for you and is too proud to admit it (therefore is trying to blow you off by saying you should be fine now).
Either way, it's not acceptable.
One's signs and symptoms don't always match - this has been shown time and time again. Your doctor should know this, and if he doesn't, he's a fool.
If the way your eyes feel is interfering with your ability to complete your studies at university, interfering with the normal activities of daily living, and/or interfering with your ability to work, there is still a problem and it needs to get investigated further, be treated further, and taken seriously. While I completely understand that docs can't always fix us, the least he could do is keep trying. Because his insinuations that you're "obsessing" and that your "obsessing" is the only thing stopping you from living a normal life, are a complete cop out.
So trust yourself, and do NOT - not for 1 second - doubt yourself. If your eyes don't feel right, something is still going on that needs to be addressed. It's not always easy to figure out the cause. It's not always easy to figure out an effective combination of treatments. Sometimes one is unlucky and it can't be fixed with currently available treatments (I'd put myself in this category). But nonetheless, a good doc will stick by your side and continue to at least TRY to help you. Granted, sometimes they run out of treatment options... but they should still stick around so they can be there to prescribe new treatments as they come to market.
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Guest repliedOriginally posted by epicjinx View Post
He does have dry eyes and tells me his allergies are worse.
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Yeah he kept telling me that I'm obsessed when I've been concerned over other issues in my life aka being jobless going uni. But then says 10 seconds is normal for most, but then I said about I know I have to hit ten seconds. He's happy with my progress so am I, just sometimes feels like he's assuming I'm obsessing. I just want comfort
Either way, it's not acceptable.
One's signs and symptoms don't always match - this has been shown time and time again. Your doctor should know this, and if he doesn't, he's a fool.
If the way your eyes feel is interfering with your ability to complete your studies at university, interfering with the normal activities of daily living, and/or interfering with your ability to work, there is still a problem and it needs to get investigated further, be treated further, and taken seriously. While I completely understand that docs can't always fix us, the least he could do is keep trying. Because his insinuations that you're "obsessing" and that your "obsessing" is the only thing stopping you from living a normal life, are a complete cop out.
So trust yourself, and do NOT - not for 1 second - doubt yourself. If your eyes don't feel right, something is still going on that needs to be addressed. It's not always easy to figure out the cause. It's not always easy to figure out an effective combination of treatments. Sometimes one is unlucky and it can't be fixed with currently available treatments (I'd put myself in this category). But nonetheless, a good doc will stick by your side and continue to at least TRY to help you. Granted, sometimes they run out of treatment options... but they should still stick around so they can be there to prescribe new treatments as they come to market.
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Originally posted by epicjinx View PostI'm just wondering, if inflammation can be inside the glands? But confused as I thought IPL would help reduce inflammation.
IPL would help calm down the inflammation temporarily but if the source of inflammation is not eliminated then it will keep coming back. It's so important to find out the source of inflammation and address it.
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This disease is so intricate and complex that even with all the research it is hard to find the cure. I could not say what’s causing your TBUT to be low, there’s way too many variables and even then it’s just speculation. One thing that might be of high probability is inflammation, but what’s causing it sometimes it’s almost impossible to find. there’s too many chemicals and hormones and vitamins and minerals in the body something is off, and whether we can control that or not who knows.
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Originally posted by Topher3 View PostI mean it’s your body, and if it doesn’t feel right then somethings up. Just because it’s good for him doesn’t mean it’s good for you. You’re the one that has to live with it. Don’t stop for anything less than perfection, if he’s got a problem with obsession he’s in the wrong profession. Eyes are no joke, I’m so ****ing sick of these doctors and their attitudes.
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Originally posted by Guest View Post
Hi Epicjinx,
How long did you use Optimel to clean your eyes?
I have permenant red veins in my eyes. Warm compressing made it worse. Most optometrist told me that it is impossible to get it worse with warm compressing but nevertheless I got it.
You mentioned that Optimel helped you. Could you please share what kind of redness did you have and how did it help? I used Optimel about a month but didn't see much result. So perhaps need to use it longer.
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Originally posted by Topher3 View PostI mean it’s your body, and if it doesn’t feel right then somethings up. Just because it’s good for him doesn’t mean it’s good for you. You’re the one that has to live with it. Don’t stop for anything less than perfection, if he’s got a problem with obsession he’s in the wrong profession. Eyes are no joke, I’m so ****ing sick of these doctors and their attitudes.
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Guest repliedOriginally posted by epicjinx View PostHello, so did the IPL. All my glands are open and clear, but I still have dry eyes. Tbut 7 seconds. Optremist stresses that it's me being over thinking it's just uncomfortable blinking, using everything I've been asked of;fish oil, did IPL, allergy eye drops (allergies still slightly there), optimel.
How long did you use Optimel to clean your eyes?
I have permenant red veins in my eyes. Warm compressing made it worse. Most optometrist told me that it is impossible to get it worse with warm compressing but nevertheless I got it.
You mentioned that Optimel helped you. Could you please share what kind of redness did you have and how did it help? I used Optimel about a month but didn't see much result. So perhaps need to use it longer.
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Originally posted by Topher3 View PostI mean it’s your body, and if it doesn’t feel right then somethings up. Just because it’s good for him doesn’t mean it’s good for you. You’re the one that has to live with it. Don’t stop for anything less than perfection, if he’s got a problem with obsession he’s in the wrong profession. Eyes are no joke, I’m so ****ing sick of these doctors and their attitudes.
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I mean it’s your body, and if it doesn’t feel right then somethings up. Just because it’s good for him doesn’t mean it’s good for you. You’re the one that has to live with it. Don’t stop for anything less than perfection, if he’s got a problem with obsession he’s in the wrong profession. Eyes are no joke, I’m so ****ing sick of these doctors and their attitudes.
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Originally posted by Milo007 View Post
MCG - Moisture Chamber Glasses. You should get them to help your eyes heal better.
I think inflammation is a definite problem for you. From my personal experience I can tell that inflammation regulates the volume of lipid secretions directly. So if your glands are alright and all open and you can bring down the inflammation your TBUT should increase even further. MCGs will help decrease inflammation if used on a regular basis. You may try low dose doxycycline (20mg-50mg) once daily for a month or two and it will certainly help with inflammation.
Did you find out the allergens for you?
Chronic use of anti allergic medications are actually detrimental to your eyes.
I sometimes take breaks when needed from the drops.
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Originally posted by Topher3 View PostYes, 7 seconds is definelty not a normal TBUT anything under 12 pretty much could be cause of concern. I don’t understand how your doctor can keep saying everything fine, milo is probably right with some kind of systemic immune inflammatory markers affecting things.
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Originally posted by epicjinx View Post
In response no they have none of that, all open secreting nice clear oil and got all the blocked glands unblocked (wasn't many 5 glands on one eye lid, on both eyes). MCG? I've been using optimel which helps eyelid redness in reducing it. I was on a steroid a few years ago, maybe 2 by now(?), it was FML and it had no effect on me due to inflammation only being present due to allergies. But ketofall seems to be working alot better now but my last allergy drop stopped working didn't know why (catacrom). I've never had tetrcyclines introduced to me, probably due to the fact it's MGD or was. As I'm grade 0 (according to my optremist). It's just, I found out I had allergies and then tried alot but still a few left to try. Fish oil helps counter dryness for my allergy drops, and had IPL clear out blockages and keep it going nicely.
I've said yo my optremist that antidepressants never gave me dry eye before ever, but now that I have dry eye due to computer use, I'm not sure if it's causing problems with my oil glands too. As I've tried majority of regular methods. I did ask for inflammadry but got told due to no inflammation being present it was useless for it. So sorta wondering, what else could be the issue.
I think inflammation is a definite problem for you. From my personal experience I can tell that inflammation regulates the volume of lipid secretions directly. So if your glands are alright and all open and you can bring down the inflammation your TBUT should increase even further. MCGs will help decrease inflammation if used on a regular basis. You may try low dose doxycycline (20mg-50mg) once daily for a month or two and it will certainly help with inflammation.
Did you find out the allergens for you?
Chronic use of anti allergic medications are actually detrimental to your eyes.
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Yes, 7 seconds is definelty not a normal TBUT anything under 12 pretty much could be cause of concern. I don’t understand how your doctor can keep saying everything fine, milo is probably right with some kind of systemic immune inflammatory markers affecting things.
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