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  • My 2nd visit to an NHS Ophthalmologist

    After seeing an NHS Ophthalmologist back in May who said I had no eye problems, diagnosed me with migraines and gave me an Rx for Viscotears (thanks), I finally got my new Doctor to refer me to another Ophthalmologist . I then waited the 7 weeks to actually get an appointment, which was last night.

    I always think there is a tendency to slightly misrepresent the medical professional you see if you come away unhappy, perhaps taking what they said out of context or giving a biased report of what happened. So I'll try to be fair here.

    Since last time, I've managed to see an optometrist who recognised my meibomian glands were blocked, and has taken pictures of this, and my tear film with and without meibum in it:

    I've also taken pictures myself of my posterior eyelid, so I came prepared with these (much easier to show them evidence right rather than simply hope they find it).

    In fairness to the guy, he did show interest in the pictures I'd brought, as well as what I had to say.

    I told him my primarily problem was soreness and posterior lid inflammation which I'd had for 9 months, which was potentially job threatening. I was also quite dry in the night, when waking up my eyes I couldn't keep my eye's open for more than a second without blinking until I got some reflex tears etc. I indicated I felt this was due to MGD, possible aqueous deficiency and maybe a dermatalogical cause. I said I'd tried lots of different drops, including Viscotears (which he then said was what he normally prescribed).

    He looked in my eyes with a scope thing, and said that I had lots of oil of my margins, and that my tear film instability was due to too much meibum (not too little). He said I did indeed have posterior blepharitis (seborrheic blepharitis in fact - can he tell this just by looking?) - this is the first time I've been told this. He then gave me an RX for Liquifilm, and said to do compresses, lid hygiene etc 4 times a day then a drop of Liquifilm for 3 months, at which point he'd see me again. I asked if the drop was preservative free, and he said it wasn't and one wasn't available, but they didn't worry about that unless the drop is used more frequently that every 2 hours. (3 months of this sounds worrying to me). He also said that I could try expresses my upper glands by pushing them against my brow bone???

    I asked how I could have too much meibum given that 3 months ago my glands were blocked, and how the optomotrist was able to show a lack of lipid in my tear film (about 7 weeks ago that was), but that didn't seem to get an answer.

    I asked if I might be aqueous deficient given I'm often very dry at night (I've even tried clingfilm etc although I didn't say that) - he said he'd look at that with a Schrimers in 3 months if this didn't work (so I have to wait 3 months to even find out).

    I asked why I now saw halos around lights at night, and he mentioned a too much mucous idea (didn't seem to fit to me) but aside from that said he didn't know, but didn't seem to particularly care either.

    I asked if I should see a dermatologist, and he said he wouldn't say yes or no to that. (surely if it's seborrheic blepharitis it is worth it?)

    He told a story about a chef he'd seen that this treatment didn't work for, who had tried to use goggles but these fogged up in the kitchen so he couldn't use them. He casually said he then just discharged him (very strange almost happy emphasis about this poor guy who presumably can't work and is in daily pain!! - didn't really understand how this could be OK or why tell patients this).

    In all in there were some positives, particular that the NHS now officially recongise I do have a tear film problem, but I didn't really feel confident in the diagnosis or treatment plan.
    Last edited by jlg_uk; 23-Sep-2008, 12:07. Reason: Picture links removed

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    jlg,
    sory to hear of your somewhat disappointing experience - I do know exactly how that feels, having seen so many different specialists over the last 2 years. Like you, I've found my local optometrist the most helpful person, he actually expresses my blocked glands for me and has already prevented at least 2 chalazions forming.

    But even he can't do much about the posterior bleph. My eyes (specially the right) feel sore nearly all the time, and unfortunately I can't use any eye drops at all, even pres. free, as they all seem to irritate and make the inside of my eyelids even sorer.

    I also wonder about seeing a dermatologist - after all the problem is in the SKIN, albeit the skin is on the eyelid, so there has to be some connection don't you think? I've never heard of seborrheic blepharitis either, but my optometrist said I had a "rough patch" on the inside of my upper eyelid...I
    wonder if it's the same thing?

    I have heard of people making too much meibomian fluid and still getting dry eye symptoms - can't remember who, but someone on this forum I think suffers from this problem.

    Doesn't this all stink?

    Are you going to go ahead with the treatment this specialist has prescribed for you?

    try to keep your chin up, as we all have to!
    Eva

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    • #3
      p.s.
      I can't get the links to your pix to work - I'm not very tech savvy I'm afraid. I can't see how to remove /remove from the link..

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      • #4
        Originally posted by eva b View Post
        p.s.
        I can't get the links to your pix to work - I'm not very tech savvy I'm afraid. I can't see how to remove /remove from the link..
        I've fixed the links so they work now, and put a note on the post indicating that i have sorted this.

        Prattstar
        Moderator

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        • #5
          I've fixed the links so they work now, and put a note on the post indicating that i have sorted this.
          Please do not do this. I do this on purpose, because it stops my personal pictures from being indexed by Google, so they don't show up on Google Images. Sorry to be a pain but it's the only way I'm prepared to post them.

          Just click on the link, get the error, and just take off "/remove" at the end of the address.

          If this is against forum policy, please let me know and I'll just remove all links to all pictures on all of my posts.

          Thanks

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          • #6
            Once you get the error message (File Not Found, or something like that), just go up to the top where the http://www stuff is, and click your cursor into that string of letters. Make sure the cursor is blinking and that you haven't highlighted the whole string of letters (otherwise you'll delete the whole thing!). Then, just delete everything after the word jpg (including the symbol /) and press enter.

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            • #7
              Fine, I see you have changed them back anyway.

              I only changed them as users were posting issues accessing them.

              I think we need to remember that not everyone that uses this forum is info tech savy and when someone clicks on a link and it doesn't work they are more likely to abandon the mission than try editing the URL.

              Ian

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              • #8
                Ah good news - looks like Liquifilm Tears Preservative Free single use vials are available. I think I'd rather use those for 3 months than the preserved version which has benzalkonium chloride in them!
                Last edited by jlg_uk; 23-Sep-2008, 10:38. Reason: Removed a negative - thanks to prattstar for pointing out

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                • #9
                  Ian,

                  100% agree with what you're saying - and I appreciate you were coming from a position of trying to help. Dunno how you thought I'd accidentally added /remove to them all tho :P

                  I know this means some people might not see the pics and is hassle for those that do - but I reason that the alternative is for me not to post them at all, and I know myself that seeing other people's eyes helps when you are comparing to your own.

                  If someone knows a way to direct link to pics in a way that won't show up on Google Images - let me know!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by jlg_uk View Post
                    Ian,
                    Dunno how you thought I'd accidentally added /remove to them all tho :P
                    I've learnt not to assume anything - some people do some strange things (strange to me but perfectly normal to them and I am far from a mind reader), so I wasn't inferring anything, you are right, I was just trying to make it easy for everyone.

                    This is a non issue for me and I think you are right that some people would rather see photos to gain a better understanding and if this helps with or without the "/remove" that is fine with me also.

                    Ian

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                    • #11
                      A suggestion:

                      I highly recommend that if one wants others to see pictures of their eyes etc, you upload them to your photo album on this site. That eliminates most of the problems and also our members will feel safer accessing them because they do not have to exit the site to see them.
                      Rebecca Petris
                      The Dry Eye Foundation
                      dryeyefoundation.org
                      800-484-0244

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                      • #12
                        Hi Rebecca

                        - are such pictures no longer indexed by Google then?

                        All content © 2005-8 by The Dry Eye Company, LLC and is subject to Terms of Use.
                        - do you assume ownership of the photographs once they are uploaded or do they remain the copyright of the uploader?

                        Many thanks for the suggestion - appreicate the external web site point you made.

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                        • #13
                          I have no idea whether they get indexed. As to copyright, yes (theoretically - can't imagine what we'd ever actually do with anybody's pix) and I believe that's standard on websites/bulletin board when information is shared.

                          I agree with Ian about the links that do not work. In fact I feel this kind of thing poses three problems:
                          - Many users will avoid clicking on them because of security concerns.
                          - Many, possibly most others will get an error when they click and not bother doing anything further.
                          - For moderators, links to photos and YouTube clips etc pose extra work.

                          If you're not happy with the simpler means for sharing photos that make them most accessible to members I would recommend simply mentioning them and offering to PM or email links to people who are interested.
                          Rebecca Petris
                          The Dry Eye Foundation
                          dryeyefoundation.org
                          800-484-0244

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                          • #14
                            As I indicated above, I think it's better for some to be able to see if they choose, rather than no one have the opporuntity to see pictures which some may find helpful (and not necessarily helpful to the poster). I know they helped me in the begining when I was diagnosing/comparing.

                            However, as an IT security person, I do appreciate external hosting point you raised - and I agree link modification by the user isn't ideal. So to keep everyone happy, I'm more than willing to remove the links to the pictures (and my eyes aren't exactly ultra pretty anyway).

                            If no one has strong objections, I'll enlist pratstarr's help in removing picture links from posts I'm no longer able to edit.

                            Thanks for clearing up the situation - I'm keen to remain consistant with the rules of the website/bulletin board and to help foster a better environment for those of us who suffer each day with DES as much as possible.

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                            • #15
                              I've removed the links to the pictures in all posts by you at your request.

                              My only motivation to edit the original post was to make the links work for users. I must apologise for my ignorance in not fully understanding the indexing algorithms of search engines.

                              I didn't set out to cause offence or upset anyone.

                              If no one has any objection, I will clean up this thread and remove all the links to posts not working, etc, and remove all posts that are off the topic. (including this one)

                              Ian

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