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  • Update and Punctal Plug Tips

    I thought I’d post an update since I’ve been feeling a little better lately. On May 11 I had a .5mm Superflex EagleVision punctal plug inserted in the lower left tear duct. I didn’t see any noticeable difference at all. On the 17th I went back and convinced the doctor to plug the upper punctum as well. He preformed the dye in the eye and blow your nose test to see how much the left eye was still draining. I was able to blow dye out after about a minute so he put a Superflex plug in the top too. Now I have no drainage in the left eye and it’s wonderful. I went from using 12-14 vials of Theratears per day to using just 1 or 2. Keep in mind though that for most people one plug in the lower duct will probably work just find but I have some unusual circumstances so two plugs works better for me.

    I still have pain in the left eye daily but it’s not as bad as it was before and I think it’s possibly a pulled muscle, not dryness related. The right eye still gets dry/irritated at night so I’ll probably look into getting another plug or two if it doesn’t improve.

    I’m still on Restasis. It’s been about a month and a half now. Doesn’t really seem to be doing much except taking 30 minutes out of my day but my dry eye probably isn’t due to inflammation so I’m not expecting much.

    I also discovered that what I thought might have been some sort of viral infection on the under part of my upper eyelid was actually lid wiper epitheliopathy which I haven’t had any problems with since I had the punctal plugs put in the left eye.





    Some tips if you’re getting punctal plugs.


    1. In my opinion the anesthetic drops are pointless and do more harm than good. They didn'’t numb the tear duct area the first time and only made my eyes bloodshot/burn after the procedure. So this time I passed on the drops and the experience was much better. Plus if the plug feels scratchy isn'’t it better to know right away instead of when you get home?

    2. It’s better to get a plug that’s a little too big than one that’s a little too small. I’d rather have a plug pop out than get stuck somewhere down the drain. The plugs they gave me are on the smaller size. The doctor says he couldn’t get the .7mm in but I was watching and I think he could have tried a little harder.

    Update: I would say I agree with Indrep that a small plug has a better chance of working not a larger plug. Smaller plugs also are less scratchy in my experience since they have less of a profile and sit lower in the tear duct.

    3. I don’t know if this was just in my case but I could see the whole insertion process by watching the reflection in the magnifying lenses they use to look at your eyes.

    4. The easiest way to check if the plugs are still there is not to look for the plug but the look for the absence of the hole. In my right eye I can still see the dark holes of my tear ducts but the left eye they just look white, almost like they'’ve been cauterized.

    5. Be mindful of where your plugs are located. These things are expensive ($125 a piece for me and mine were cheaper than most.) If you’re going to lose a plug it’s probably going to be your fault. So don’t rub your eyes, be careful washing your face and just dab lightly with the towel when you dry.

    Update: After 6 years of having the same plugs I do rub my eye every now and then an the plugs seem to be pretty set in place so I wouldn't worry too much about dislodging them if they are a good fit.

    6. If your plugs are scratchy try dabbing some Refresh PM in the area and make sure you keep your eyes wet. If they’re really scratchy something’s not right and you should go back to the doctor if things don’t improve over a few days. Personally I had hardly any scratchiness at all and can only feel the plugs if I’m blinking them directly over my cornea.

    Update: Now I would say that if your plugs are fairly scratch there is a good chance that you might need smaller plugs. Or possibly they were placed in low enough. Every plug I had that was overly scratchy fell out eventually and kept falling out.

    7. Plugs come with risks. Everyday I wonder if I’'ll wake up with one of them missing and start some new horrifying experience on this journey with dry eye. If you'’ve had plugs for a few years it might be wise to look into cauterization.

    Update: I think the risks are worth it. I've had two silicon capped plugs inserted too fair into the tear duct. Neither of them ever cause any real problem. My other two plugs have been in for 6 years and have never caused any problems.

    8. Epiphora. Being double plugged in the left eye I do have some over tearing at times. However, I’m not putting in 2 dollars worth of artificial tears per day and the annoyance of having to tilt my head so a tear can drop a few times a day more than makes up for the pain/burning of dry eye.

    Update: Over tearing really wasn't as bad as everyone made it out to be, especially in contrast to dry eye. When my eyes would get too watery I would just tilt my head so the tears would drain out towards my nose then wipe them away with my finger like I was cleaning "sleep" out from my eye that way my eyelashes wouldn't get wet. Also it only needed to be done every 1-2 hours but my eyes were never dry again.
    Last edited by PRK; 07-Nov-2017, 11:26.

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    PRK
    In my experience (little over 27 years) with punctum plugs the retention and comfort rate is better when the smallest plug that fits is used. When the largest plug that will fit method is used the retention rate is lower. The usual reasons are the sphincter muscle of the puncta was ruptured with dilation or forced insertion. Next is patient discomfort and subsequent accidental removal.

    Also if punctal plugs work there is generally no reason to permanently alter tissue with surgical intervention. Once scar tissue forms there is generally no going back to punctal plugs.

    I am glad you are getting relief.

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    • #3
      Chomping at the bit for some plugs...

      I'm pretty excited about getting permanent plugs. Couple issues though:

      I measured my own punctal size as 0.8 or 0.9 mm in the mirror (not totally accurate, I understand).

      I would like the Odyssey Parasol plugs but can't figure out if I should go with the medium or the large. The company says that only a few percent of people need the Large which makes me think I am measuring wrong. I definitely don't want the plugs to migrate down the canaliculus and I don't want to rupture any sphincters either.

      Also, I have MGD and even though I keep hearing this "toxic tears" and "sewer of tears" theory, I think the more of my own tears I can get on my ocular surface, the better. I'd be very content with epiphora - seriously.

      Also, I think my tears are hypertonic now and plugs will make them close to normotonic.

      One other thing - I am quad plugged right now with temporaries. 3 of them are 2 week plugs (odyssey collagen plugs) and were placed a week and a half ago, so I assume they'll be gone in a few days and think they are gone now, because I can feel it. The 4th plug is an Oasis Extended duration and it is in my left lower. It was placed maybe 2 or 3 weeks ago and it is supposed to last 3 months... but I think it is too small and not doing that great of a job anyway.

      So, what do I do? Get 2 placed in both lowers? Or only get one placed and wait for the Oasis Extended duration plug to dissolve and then get the second one? Or can I put the Parasol over the extended duration plug and not worry about that? What about increasing risk of infection? What about rupturing a puncta by pushing the temporary plug further down into the canaliculus?

      Oh and can you get IPL with plugs? I don't want to mess the IPL up.... but I really really need the plugs and would even go for quad permanent plugging even though that is probably too much for me.

      NME

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      • #4
        Hi NME,
        I had permanent plugs in both eyes on the bottoms only. (Like you, I have problems with oil and tears.) I don't know what kind of plugs were used. One had to be replaced, and both finally came out. I did not notice that they helped much, but I have a big problem with mucus, and so was extremely uncomfortable and drowning in the stuff. I also found the plugs very irritating. I guess they work very well for some people, but they drove me crazy. Not sure what the next step will be, as I do not think I want to be cauterized. Very best wishes to you. I've a friend who has all four ducts plugged, and it works well for her. I will watch this thread with interest, and hope you will report back.

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        • #5
          NME,
          Plug sizing is unique to plugs. The gauge used to measure is specific to the company's plug sizing. In other words you're punctal opening may appear to be one size based on a mm scale and be completely different as far the actual plug size needed.
          As far the order of punctal occlusion, generally the two lowers and wait 2-4 weeks and then uppers as needed.
          What is the reason for choosing Odyssey Parasol?

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          • #6
            Thanks for the responses, guys.

            Here is a link to the sizing chart for the Parasol plug:

            http://odysseymed.com/phys/instructions_03.php

            http://odysseymed.com/phys/sizing-ch...rt_parasol.gif

            They claim 95% of patients fit in the small / medium spectrum. Medium is from 0.6mm to 0.8 mm according to the chart. I think my puncta are just under 1mm in diameter, so I am trying to figure out which I should go with Medium or Large. My gut feeling is medium, but I DO have large puncta...

            I'm definitely trying for the 2 lowers first. The problem is this: I have a temporary plug in the left lower and I don't know if I can get a permanent one placed in that punctum with a temporary in there... Do I have to wait the 3 months until the temporary dissolves?

            Oh and the reasons for the Parasol - its my optometrists favorite plug, its the most popular plug out there, many positive reports on this site for the plug, don't want an intracanalicular plug because of complications.

            Any problems with the Parasol that you are aware of, indrep?
            Last edited by NeedMyEyes; 06-Jun-2011, 08:53. Reason: link didn't appear the first time

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            • #7
              Originally posted by NeedMyEyes View Post

              Oh and the reasons for the Parasol... its the most popular plug out there
              Do you have a source for that other than the company themselves? That really surprises me. I hear about the Odyssey plugs less frequently than almost any other both from patients and doctors.
              Rebecca Petris
              The Dry Eye Foundation
              dryeyefoundation.org
              800-484-0244

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              • #8
                Most popular punctal plug

                Hmm... well, yes I was using the company website for that info and they cite a Market Scope Survey from 2003 (which is a LOOONNNG time ago for sure).

                Also, I came across a few papers of where a physician inserted hundreds and in case over a thousand Parasols and reviewed them for complications and success rates. So that was indirect evidence, but further supported the popularity of the plug.

                Anybody have any idea what the most popular plug is out there now? I am specifically looking for a traditional punctal (not intracanalicular) plug.

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                • #9
                  hi guys, is it safe to get the 3 monthes oasis plugs ( disolve in 90 days) over and over in my life?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by NeedMyEyes View Post
                    I have a temporary plug in the left lower and I don't know if I can get a permanent one placed in that punctum with a temporary in there... Do I have to wait the 3 months until the temporary dissolves?
                    My corneal specialist said you don't have to wait for the temp to dissolve fully before putting in a permanent plug. My guess is the permanent plug will just push the temp one down further into the puncta where it will dissolve as planned (or maybe it even gets pushed down so far that you end up swallowing it?

                    For what it's worth, my lower permanent plugs were put in "on top of" 90 day temp lower plugs that were maybe a month or two old and I had no issues

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                    • #11
                      I would look for a plug that has a continuous anchor and neck. Something that eliminates pressure points. The more surface area that tissue touches the less likelihood there is of irritation to the skin leading to an inflammatory response.

                      A study from a group in Iowa, can't remember name (17 years ago), measured puncta using the EagleVision gauge (most popular) and found 40% of puncta measured .6, 30% - .5, 20% - .7 and 5% each for .4 and .8. It also showed that 30% of the patients had different size puncta.

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                      • #12
                        FYI A cornea specialist in Vancouver told me that the 3-month dissolvable plugs were tested and shown to last longer than three months. I found that strange because my "regular" ophthalmologist told me that the 10-day dissolvable plugs usually last LESS than 10 days. Who's to know?

                        Anyway, like SAAG writes, I never waited around for dissolvables to dissolve before getting anything done including more dissolvable plugs, permanent plugs, cautery, or IPL.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by indrep View Post
                          It also showed that 30% of the patients had different size puncta.
                          One reason I'm glad my doc measured both puncta before putting in my plugs - I've been very fortunate in that I've had them in almost 20 months now and they haven't fallen out, loosened etc.

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                          • #14
                            bp, it's probably safe, however, with each insertion there are certain risks. I would try one of the silicone long term plugs.

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                            • #15
                              Thank u so much inderp, I tried 2 times with silicon plugs for my upper and it scratches my eyeball. one was the small size of the flow control and onther one i do not know. I have silicon on the bottom and are comfotable. I know that smart plugs are not safe and i do not want cautery. DO u know any silicone plug that has soft edge? Is form fit plug safe? I do not know what to do.

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