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  • Plugs vs. Cautery: A Story

    I think my comparison of plugs and cautery could be helpful to those out there. I have severe post-LASIK dry eye and struggle daily (hourly!) as you probably do. If you're reading this, you probably know all the reasons why damming up those tears seemed necessary.

    Early in my post-LASIK travels my LASIK surgeon put lower plugs in eyes. I don't recall noticing much change with this, and I soon talked him into plugging the uppers. This made a huge difference in the amount of tears in my eyes. I was very watery, though nowhere near comfortable. My eyes still had that "exposed" feeling. What's more, I burned. I swear I burned more this way. In addition, I could actually feel the protrusion of that plug rubbing on my sclera. Any time I moved my eye I was bothered by this. Occasionally, I would experience episodes of tears streaming all down my face.

    Within two weeks one of the upper plugs fell out. I recall having an urge to call my doc to have something done...should I replace it or should I have the other one taken out. I actually walked around for an entire week with one plug in and one out trying to decide which felt better. It’s funny that my diagnosis was dry eye, yet with one eye dripping and one eye dryer, I couldn’t decide which I would rather have. The “drag” I felt from my lid on that drier eye was horrible. But the wet, salty one was horrible, too.

    After a week of indecision, the other upper fell out. Now I was left with lowers. These I kept for many, many months until I had a reaction to a steroidal drop which forced one of the plugs out. I opted to have the other removed and honestly felt they weren’t doing me a bit of good anyway. I made an appointment with a dry eye specialist and decided he could help me with my next move.

    Cautery was the next move.

    The dry eye specialist I saw convinced me that cautery made sense in my condition. I did argue that while I was quadra-plugged, I had a ridiculous amount of tears, burning and bouts of tears streaming down my face. It was explained to me that those plugs (particularly the uppers) were a foreign body and my eyes would react as such. My excess tearing was reflex tearing caused by the feeling of the actual plug rubbing on my eye.

    Looking back, my guess is that my LASIK doctor just didn’t know much about punctual plugs, nor did he suggest trying different types. I had no idea at that time that there were different kinds of plugs. Had I known, I may have “test driven” a few before giving up on them completely.

    So, with the advice of my dry eye/corneal specialist, I decided cautery was the answer. We opted to do the lowers first and give it a few days to see if the uppers would even be necessary. I was not surprised that I felt no change in my comfort with the lowers done. He performed cautery on the uppers.

    Fortunately, my result has been much better than plugs. I would agree that those upper plugs were, indeed, causing all sorts of nasty, uncomfortable tearing. Still, if a patient were to find plugs the he/she could not feel in the eye, it seems to me a reasonable option. Cautery is rather permanent. I don’t know exactly whether they can be “undone” successfully should I find I don’t want to be closed any longer.

    I have also heard cauterized punctae can open after some time, especially if they’ve not been done properly. I’m pretty confident that mine were done properly, and will probably endure. It’s been well over a years since the procedure.

    Regarding my comfort…

    Although it’s not been ideal, I’m probably better off this way. I am still miserable and uncomfortable, and I struggle. I still feel my eyes are “exposed” and cannot tolerate any moving air or change in temperature. I’ve yet to find a manageable place.

    Obviously, without the proper tear composition, it doesn’t make much difference how many tears we have coating our eyes. It’s simply not enough. I will add that at least having more fluid there is good for lubrication, but not for overall surface comfort. I actually met an eye doctor once who didn’t understand the difference between the two. Unfortunately, there is a huge difference.

    Best of luck to anyone contemplating their next step. I hope this post has helped.
    Never play leapfrog with a unicorn.

  • #2
    Diana,
    Wow, did that help explain a lot to me. As you know, I am stuggling with plugging my upper ducts because I had excessive tearing and pain when one was done temporarily. this gives me a lot to think about.
    Thanks for sharing.

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    • #3
      To Kyle about plugs

      I had both lower ducts plugged without much relief, so yesterday had one of the uppers (right) plugged. My eye is gushing tears non-stop and I am not sure how I feel about this. I am constantly wiping my eye and it makes it hard to concentrate at work. We did only one eye, to see how it would compare to the other without a plug. But now the right eye is so wet that I forget the left is dry yet. Does it never end?

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      • #4
        One upper plug

        Gaye, having been plugged, unplugged, quadra-plugged, unplugged, plugs falling out, etc, I know your dilemma. You need more than a day or even a week to tall if this is what you want. The over-watery situation can chance with the weather! I've got the drippy eyes too and often at work would take a Kleenex to blot out the excess. Still, I have dry eye! Like Diana, I thought being overly wet was better than being so dry the lid drags as you blink.

        It is very embarrasing, however. I've been talking to someone in a store, at work, etc. and all of a sudden a big fat drop of water falls. It happens especially when I'm writing checks at the check-out counter. They probably think I'm being nervous writing a check!
        Don't trust any refractive surgeon with YOUR eyes.

        The Dry Eye Queen

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        • #5
          upper vs lower

          For those of you who noticed very little change with lowers, then were running over with uppers, did you ever try just the uppers? I have been reading where some docs are now preferring to plug the upper lids first, as they are finding many patients actually have better results with the upper than the lower. My right eye is double plugged and running over, and I am thinking about having one plug removed to see how I do. I just don't know which one.

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          • #6
            To JCorbett

            I had wondered about that, that maybe I should have the lowers removed and try having just the uppers plugged. I think I will try that next.

            Thanks!

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            • #7
              To Lucy

              Yesterday I had a client at my desk and tears kept pouring down my face. It was really embarrassing and I had to keep dabbing my eye. I just told her I was having a problem with allergies. It is interesting how my eye waters more at work than away from it. This makes me wonder if the computer is part of my problem. I will have to give this a few days to see how it works.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Gaye
                Yesterday I had a client at my desk and tears kept pouring down my face. It was really embarrassing and I had to keep dabbing my eye. I just told her I was having a problem with allergies. It is interesting how my eye waters more at work than away from it. This makes me wonder if the computer is part of my problem. I will have to give this a few days to see how it works.
                Another possible explanation is heating/air conditioning.

                Environmental factors at work are tough to deal with because of the limited control we have over them. I always had far more eye pain in my old office in London than anywhere else at all, though it was never clear to me exactly why. I got a big humidifier for it and kept my (glass, thankfully) door closed all the time but it never seemed to help very much.

                Sounds like upper-only plugging might be a useful next step, Gaye. I've heard good reports from many people about upper plugs. Since the uppers drain a much smaller quantity of tears than the lowers, it's reasonable to expect an improvement in terms of tear overflow (epiphora).
                Rebecca Petris
                The Dry Eye Foundation
                dryeyefoundation.org
                800-484-0244

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                • #9
                  upper vs lower

                  Rebecca - that's what I don't understand. If the uppers drain a much smaller quantity of tears than the lowers, and the lowers drain a larger quantity of tears, then plugging the lower should have a bigger effect. So why do people report little or no change with the lowers plugged, yet having the uppers plugged results in tremendous overflow? Has anyone given an explanation for this? I know some doctors are saying they see better results with plugging uppers only than lowers only. But why??? I talked to my doctor this morning about this, and she said she had never heard this. I wish I could have given her some sort of explanation. We ended up pulling the upper plug and leaving the lower, although I had my doubts.
                  And thanks for the definition. I never knew what epiphora was although I had seen this word before!

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                  • #10
                    Re: Upper Plugs

                    I can't stand it anymore. I'm getting the plug pulled today! My eye is watering so much I can barely see out of it. It is also very scratchy and irritating. I will just go back to the two lowers and use more drops I guess.

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                    • #11
                      Gaye

                      Let us know what happens. I hope you feel better.
                      Don't trust any refractive surgeon with YOUR eyes.

                      The Dry Eye Queen

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                      • #12
                        Plugs

                        Well, I had the upper plug removed because I couldn't stand the constant tearing and my eye was feeling worse then before. Upon removing the plug, my doctor said that eye was drier than the one without the upper plug. Now I have rebound dryness that is worse than it was before plugging the upper duct. I am hoping that this goes away after time.

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                        • #13
                          I have my lower left cauterized. Plugs (Herricks) fell out twice and my eye was sore sore and I had a headache on the left side. I'm glad I cauterized it.

                          I have two Herrick plugs (the internal ones) in my right eye. That is my trouble eye and I have to have the extra tears to create a barrier between my eye and lid. I have some excess tears, not necessarily all reflex tears. I will always be double plugged in that eye, I'd never consider taking them out.

                          In my case what's good for one eye is not good for the other. They are completely different.

                          Chris

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                          • #14
                            Thanks, Dianat, i learned a lot from your post. I had my lower puncta plugged, but no big improvement. My eye doc said my eyes have some inflammation and put me on Lotemax.

                            Maybe i should also try uppers, but then am afraid there is some bad stuff in the eyes, they get nowhere to go and then accumulate in the eyes. Does that happen too?

                            Thanks again. One's life is changed with DES. Sigh....

                            Hasan

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                            • #15
                              Plugs vs. cauterization

                              Thanks! I've always wondered about that! Plugs never worked for me but am really scared about the permanence of cauterization.

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